Who Else Is Ready To Pop?

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Ilona is 315

Ilona 
Who else is ready to pop?   
If you had enough, come in here.

OH!

Hi 315

The thought/feeling is - "Ready to pop!"

Ilona

Oh!, great to have you here. So where this thought/ feeling is at?
Describe what is I for you, what is self and how it all works. No need for life story, but mention what is relevant.
Or just simply pop!

OH!

Hi 315

Great to 'Be-Here.' All there is is One Pop,Popping!

This thought/feeling is 'Being/Life' presently expressing as That-a thought/feeling.

Well,This Life isn't actually expressing as anything,it Simply Is as It Is-
Whatever the apparent appearance.

Whatever 'This' is,it Is.

There isn't any one or thing that experiences a thought/feeling,all there is is this
Experience- There isn't any-one or thing having this experience.

What is 'I' ?
There is no actual 'I' existing as a separate entity.
'I' is a thought/feeling,an experience,but there isn't an experiencer-
Only Experience.

So,as there is no 'I' there cannot be a 'self'.

In order to keep on shining,the sun does not need to have the idea "I Am".
It shines perfectly without that idea.
There isn't any 'thing' that needs to work,All/This is as it Is,Simply perfect.

The Only Reality is Experience,Experience for and by no one.

Experience Without An Experiencer.

No 'thing' behind Experience.Only Experience Exists!

Ilona

Sounds that you are seeing it.
Now look at the body and everything around. Does it exist? Does a forest exist if you are not there to experiance it?
Just examine the difference between what is real and what is imagined. Without word experience ;)

OH!

Looking exists/ Seeing exists.

There are no 'actual things' that can be looked at or seen.

There isn't a 'someone' who looks/sees.

There isn't a 'me/I' that looks/sees.

If there is Looking/Seeing then 'that' is what Is.

If there is the appearance of an 'I' standing in a forest,then That
is the appearance,it appears that there is a 'someone' standing in
a forest,'apparently' seeing.

If this imaginary 'I' is not standing in the forest,then for that 'I' a
forest will not be 'seen'.

Reality is This that Is,whatever that is.

Ilona

Thanks for answer.

How about there are actual things and there is forest, only there is no you.
Tell me please, what is real? By real I mean that which is not affected by belief and does not dissapear as one stops believing in it. Look around, notice that there is objective reality here now.

Look at your hand. Is it real?
How about table, chair, monitor, are these objects in real world or in imagination, what do you see?

OH!

This that Is is Reality.

Seeing,forest,hand,table,chair and monitor are real.
But,only real in the sense that All that is is Presence,
Here,Now.

What is not real is a 'you',as a separate entity.

Seeing happens,but not for or by anyone.

There aren't any objects existing as actual separate 'things'.
All is This that IS,without a border,one seamless reality-
displaying as 'many',so to speak.

Draw a circle on a piece of paper,now erase the drawn line,
where has the circle gone.There never was a circle,the drawn
line was the mind trying to create an identity-an illusion-giving
itself a border where there isn't one.There was only ever the
Single piece of paper,A borderless piece.

"Objective reality!" Objectified by who/what?

Ilona

What is Oh! ?

OH!

Oh! is all there Is.

Ilona

You are joking, right?
What happens to planet earth and all life on it when Oh! dies?

OH!

Is it a joke or not?

Can Oh! actually die?

Appearances come and go.

Reality always Is.

Oh! is not a person who was born,will live and then die.
Oh! is an/the appearance of This.

Ilona

ok, oh!, let's look at reality from different angle. You say: Oh! is all there Is.

This is labelling of all that is/ life/ reality with label 'Oh!'
looks like you are identified with life, and although you speak words that point to truth, you do not see it.
why are you here?
what are you looking for by engaging in this duel?
what do you expect the liberation to be like? are you already liberated?
answer me this: are you life itself, or just a simple human animal lost in a head?
:)

OH!

"Ok, oh!, let's look at reality from different angle."

Yes,'good' idea!

Here,there is absolutely no identification with Oh!
Oh! is a projection of the mind,now seen through
by no one,seen for what it is-by no one- a projection,
a false belief.

There aren't any words that point to truth,All Is Truth.

There isn't 'anyone' here that sees Truth,there is only
Seeing."Seeing without a cause" - CH.

Why am 'I' here on this forum engaging in this dialogue/duel?
Who knows! -Who really cares-That's what's happening right
Here,right Now.

'I' may expect liberation to be like this or like that.
Reality doesn't give a damn about liberation.
All is Liberated,there isn't anywhere to go or anything to get.

"Answer me this: are you life itself."

What else is there -Only Life existing/expressing as it Is.
Whatever the appearance - 'someone' apparently liberated,
'someone' apparently not. The Presence of Life Is All there Is.

Ilona

Ok, let's make it simple.

There is no you at all in reality, as in zero.
Is it true?

Notice what comes up, thoughts, feelings?
Write down all that is noticed.

OH!

Noticing a computer screen,a hand typing out some words,the taste
and smell of coffee,the sounds out on the street.

All there is is this Noticing.

Noticing the sense of an 'I' a 'self',seeing that this sense is nothing
other than the appearance of a string of thoughts/feelings.

The sense of a 'self' is contained in the thoughts/feelings.

Self/I amounts to no more than a thoughts/feelings.

The Noticing is alive/present,now.

Ilona

315 wrote:There is no you at all in reality, as in zero.
Is it true?

care to answer this?

Oh! wrote:Noticing the sense of an 'I' a 'self',seeing that this sense is nothing
other than the appearance of a string of thoughts/feelings.

if self exist, then yes, there is a sense of self. So if it doesn't then self can not be sensed, right?
imagine you have a tail, can you feel it? imagine it as real as your hand. now look, do you have a tail? (hope not, hehe) so can you really sense it? you can imagine the sense, but is it real tail in there?
so if you think that you are sensing self, isn't that justin your imagination? unquestioned assumption? check again!

Oh! wrote:The sense of a 'self' is contained in the thoughts/feelings.

close your eyes for a minute, feel what is there, see if you can find that feeling of aliveness, of being, "am". is it personal? notice what mind does at the same time: it labels experience and here you have a thought coming- 'it's sense of me/self'...

Oh! wrote:Self/I amounts to no more than a thoughts/feelings.

Does sense I/ self amounts to anything?
where do thoughts come from?
what influences them?
notice that there are thoughts that point to real things: table, chair, monitor, hand, coffee...
notice that there are thoughs that point to imaginary things, let's say unicorn, batman, santa, self...
can you see the difference in how some labels are pointing to nothing real?
What does label 'I' point to?

answer these questions as precise as you can.

OH!

O.k,now that the pretence at 'seeing' This has been exposed,
lets get this over with. :)

"There is no you at all in reality, as in zero.
Is it true?"-

Yes,this is true.No 'me/I/self can be found.There is only the looking
for the self.

"If you think that you are sensing self, isn't that just in your imagination?
Unquestioned assumption? Check again!"-

There is only the looking/checking.

"See if you can find that feeling of aliveness, of being,"am". Is it personal?"-

'I' can't find an actual 'aliveness' or an 'Am',that is personal to 'me'.
There is present only the looking for the feeling of aliveness.

"Does the sense I/self amount to anything?" -
No,there is only the presence of the sense I/Self.

"Where do thoughts come from?"-

They just appear,as if from Nowhere!

"What influences them?-

Whatever the attention is drawn to.

"Notice that there are thoughts that point to real things: table, chair, monitor, hand, coffee...
Notice that there are thoughts that point to imaginary things, let's say unicorn, batman, Santa, self...
Can you see the difference in how some labels are pointing to nothing real?" -

Attention can be drawn to real objects:Table,chair...
Attention can be drawn to imagination:I,you,dreams,fantasies,fear...

"What does the label 'I' point to? -

Nothing.

There is the seeing of a computer screen,the feel of a hand,a cup,the smell of coffee,
the taste of coffee,the sounds and so on.

The Actual presence of right Now as it IS,and all without an actual 'I/me experiencing
any of it.

:)

Experience Without An Experiencer.

Ilona

Cool. So how does it feel to be free?

OH!

Thank 'you' 315,thank you so much!

"Cool. So how does it feel to be free?" -

Ha! Ha! Ha!

There is an appreciation of the words "Nothing has changed...Everything has changed."

Everything is exactly the same except that there is now an absence of 'me'-
Well, there never was a 'me',that's what's seen.Really,really obvious!

That's all it is,there never was an actual 'me' experiencing,or to whom anything was
happening.ONLY HAPPENING.Presence without 'me'.The sense of there ever having
been a 'me' was always an imagining taken to be an actual truth.

Wow! One big sigh of relief.

Life just getting on,happening as it does.Freedom was/is always the case.

Free,light,open...simply present...now not just empty words,but Fact.

No loud laughter,just a smile and a gentle Ah!

Popped!

3/Free cheers for 315

:)

Ilona

Easy peasy pop!

Awesome!

Let's chat a bit tomorrow, for now let it settle in.
Much love and appreciation here too. I'm delighted for you Oh!
Big smile happening here too.

..........Next day........

How is everything looking today? Is there any doubt at all?

Could you write a bit on what happened, how it happened, what is the self and how it works, what do you see when you look at humans, what would you say to somebody who is still looking and whatever else you want to share.
Please give us a rant about it :)
Much love!

OH!

Still smiling :)

If there where any doubt present,it would not belong to "me".

A rant from the 'other side' - so to speak.-

It just so happened that 'Once upon a time' "I" thought there was an "I" that
could go out into the 'world' and find the truth of "Who Am I?"

An "I" cannot be 'found' - Who would find it -it does not exist.

There is only the existence of Life happening as it Is.If there is the presence
of seeking for an "I" then that Is Life as it happens.

The world is real,the feeling/sense of "I" is real,but in reality there is no "I".
"I" is a story in imagination,a projection of the mind,an attachment to a phantom.

Life always exists perfectly well...ever present...freedom...in the absence of
an imagined personal "I".

Ah! Yes,the sun is always shining,even 'behind' the appearance of grey skies.
(There is no something behind this,there is Only This Life).

Experience is just here - Is Here.

Now what? As it happens,it's always Now.

What happened? One moment "I" am looking for answers,in the 'next' moment
no "I".Just the 'solid' actual existence of Life as it Is.Pure Experience in all it's
'apparent' variety.One Experiencing,but without an experiencer.

There was no cause to this 'seeing',it's just what happened-the current state of play.

Cause and effect seems to be an interpretation by the 'mind'.As if it where to say-
"Things can't just happen,there Has to be a cause that produces an effect."
This is what the 'mind' cannot grasp -The Actual Existence of Experience without
an experiencer.

The 'mind' tries to create a place/space for itself,this it calls "I/Me/Self".
Then there is a belief by the mind in this "I/Me/Self".
This belief can persist until the death of that particular body,but,it could
also happen that that belief can be seen through.There isn't a "Me/You/Self".

"What do you see when you look at humans?"-
'Everyone' is where they are!

"What would you say to somebody who is still looking?"-
Sounds paradoxical,but,"Take a proper look,is there really an actual YOU,or is there just
the looking for an imaginary You,is there really 'anyone' looking,or just Looking."

Only Love

Mirage Of A Mistaken Self

Joe

Hello Ilona, love your blog, read the shit out of it. I stumbled across this two part interview which you may find very interesting. Great research. Part one is the set up and part 2 is the really good stuff.

I put them in order. First:
http://www.buddhistgeeks.com/2011/07/bg-224-the-study-of-non-symbolic-consciousness/

and the second

http://www.buddhistgeeks.com/2011/07/bg-225-the-end-of-self-referencing/

enjoy

Ilona

Thank you, really interesting. So much to read!

How about you, have you seen the no- self thingy yet?

Joe

You can listen to the audio there. As far as the no self-thing. I'm fading. There hasn't been a huge shift. On the flip side beliefs are crumbling everyday. I'm writing like crazy, trying to get to the root.

Ilona

If you need some help, let me know. It's just a matter of precise questions.
And writing is best way to get it sorted, yes

Joe

I more than willing to give it a try, but first let me ask you, was the shift subtle for you?

Ilona

Shift was subtle but certain. Then it took a few days to sink in.
How about you? Has it happened yet?

Joe

Then I would say no, but I’ve been having days that I , hard to explain but if pressed my self as self fades and great sense of well being arises but the self of self is still there ever so slightly in the background

Sense of self i meant to say

So it's still there. Hanging on.

Ilona

Ok, you are very close!
Love your art, you are very talented.
When you paint, is there a sense of self in there?

Joe

Funny you ask. It usual runs the extremes, Yes very strongly, or not at all.

Frustrating,, thanks for liking the art by the way 

Ilona

Ok, have a look at it from this way: there is a sense if being, aliveness, existing, that sense is never going to disappear, it's constant till body is alive. Same human, same animals.

This sense is labelled by the mind as 'sense of self' but it's not self that is felt, just aliveness. It's impersonal.

Mind is a labelling machine and pits labels on every experience.
Self can not be felt as it does not exists. It's just language got in a way of clear seeing and mind identified with the imaginary self.

So when you close your eyes, identify the feeling of being and see if it's personal. Is there a 'me' in there?

Joe

At this moment It does feel personal, I can't deny that.

Ilona

It is mind that labels it 'personal'.

Have a look at the thoughts. Can you control them? Where do they come from? Can you know what next thought going to be? Can you stop a thought in the middle?
What do you see there?

Joe

This is a sticking point with me, thoughts just seem to happen by their own but it appears I can change what the thought can be such as interject the stream and think (happy or sad thoughts) as a generalization.

As far as stop it in the middle, not sure about that, can soften my focus on the thought as to, or it seems to go into the background.

Ilona

Yes, Joe, thoughts happen on their own. 'I can change what the thought can be...' it's also just a thought appearing effortlessly.

Notice that thoughts are coming and passing like river.
See if you can control thoughts or it just appears so.

Joe

I'm with you there.

Ilona

Cool. Now we will examine the labelling process that is going on by itself, without a manager. It's brains reaction to environment and experience.

So look now- body breathes. Does it need a breather? Are you a breather? Or all is just happening?

Joe

I can see they are passing like a river, oh shit, are you saying, that my thinking I can control my thoughts is just another thought passing through?

Just happening?

Ilona

Yes to above. I is just a thought and thought does not think. Once it's seen it's over.
But don't worry if it's not clear just yet, we will take small steps and it will become obvious.

Are you sure? Just answer with whole honesty.

Joe

That is is clear but i'm having a reaction to it

Ilona

What is the reaction?

Joe

Heart is racing and bit of a body shakes and my thoughts have sped up

Like it's , like it's trying to be fuzzy

Ilona

Of course. It's ok, let it just be there. It's normal. Accept the feeling.

Now if you look at this:
There is no separate self at all in real life, as in zero.

What feeling comes inside?

Joe

My eyes teared up, trying to well..

Joy and fear

Ilona

Ok. Bring the fear closer. Examine the fear as a mechanism if protection. See how well it works, how amazing it is. Honour it. Can you do that? Just let the fear be there, look at it, be ok with it and then look behind. Is there anything that needs to be protected? If so what?

Joe

Hold on

Something just happened

All the tension in my body is gone

Ilona

Keep going. What is behind the fear, can you see now?

Joe

Wait a minute, there seem to be nothing and, I can't stop looking around my apartment.

Everything looks a bit new

Ilona

Hahaha! Nothing! Yes!!!

Joe

I can't find any fear

Damn the body feels so relaxed

Ilona

Ok, cool. So look again, is there a self to be found in your apartment? Is it real?

Joe

There some objects I see I associated with a story of me

Ilona

Story is just that- story. It all is playing out by itself. no actor.

Joe

Amazing

Ilona

Is there a you in any shape or form in reality? Was there ever?

Joe

No just thoughts masquerading as me

Ilona

Hahaha! Yes.
What is real?

What is real?

Joe

Don't know what real means anymore other than pointing to a pointer and so on.

Ilona

Look around apartment. And notice the words, labels that point to real things: table, chair, monitor, body, hand, foot,
All this exists, things do not dissapear if you stop believing in them. That is real.
World is.
Self isn't.
Life is.
You isn't.
Can you see?

Does word I point to anything real?

Joe

No, not at all.

Ilona

Here we go.
How does it feel to be free?

Joe

Fucking unreal! HAHHAH

Open, spacious

Funny really

I see all this things I put a little me in. A self that does not exist

Ilona

Lol

Joe

I have to run, but will message you tomorrow to check if I don't exist

Thank you so much for the walk

Ilona

You are welcome! Got to sleep now, it's 3:40, hihi
Speak to you tomorrow.
Much love!

 ............................

Ilona

Hey Joe, how is life today?

Joe

Different, seem to be just doing life, currently I'm at a drawing session with about 20 people, funny I see all these thoughts go through, clambering to be feed. Perplexed, lot more space, feel structures of beliefs. More unravelling. Happy to just be. Curious about the unfolding, pangs of old thoughts run through. No one there to get caught.

Ilona

Great to hear that it all seems different. Same, but different.

Can you answer me these questions precisely as possible:
1) Is there a you, at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form?

2) Explain in detail what the self is and how it works.

3) How does it feel to be liberated?

Just so i see if you are really through.

Joe

Frustrated as fuck but here we go.

Don't know how to answer this right now. When i look i can't find one, but there is a feeling there is, irritation.

At odds with myself. Feeling self diluted, like what the fuck. I see these thoughts and get brought down to thinking, oh hey Here is Joe. Some many thoughts about what this would feel and be like, Sorry for the wobbly shit but there it is. I was at a different place last night and this morning. I see thoughts wanting to tell myself that I am free, but again. All honesty here, I'm not.

Ilona

It's ok, it's quite expected, happens pretty much a lot. But that what was seen can not be unseen. Instead the usual identification with the i there is a hole, so mind goes, wtf. It will take some time to settle and all will become clear.
The frustrations is normal. Look at it, it is only trying to protect something. Let it be there and just observe how it works for a bit. Then, look behind. Is there anything that needs to be protected? Is there anything at all?
What it would be like? Exactly that. It's different for everyone, but everyone agrees, no special super powers. Nothing changes on the outside.

Joe

Ok, does feel like my mind is trying to rationalize this. What's happening, then I look again, can't find a me. Thoughts of "can it really, i mean really be this simple." No bliss shooting out my ass.

I have to sit with this.

Ilona

Sit with it, yes, it's so simple yes, can't be simpler really. No bliss, no angels singing no light flashing in the eyes. This is the part where it's easy to get stuck, mind needs to process what happened.

........................

Ilona

Joe, how is it going?

Joe

Just being with the unravelling. Not either good or bad.

Ilona

Has there been a definite shift?

Joe

Not lasting no.

Ilona

Can you believe that there is a you again?

Joe

Seems so

I have been drifting in and out for the last 3 months

Ilona

Ok, read my blog, start here page, as i just updated it and explained what to expect after. Then get back to me. Cool?

Joe

I will read it at lunch time, will do


 ......................................

Joe

Hello, I read it again. It's like I’m awaking in the dream state not from it. That's the best way to describe it. Don't want to Dilute myself and say I have.

Ilona

Describe it. Is there a you in there? In any shape or form?
What is Joe?

Joe

A jumble of thoughts clambering to grab my attention, sensations.

That's all i see

Ilona

So you see thoughts trying to glue themselves to thinker?
Is there a thinker behind them thoughts?

Joe

I don't know, hard to say seems I can swing with saying the thinker is just more thoughts or I just don't know.

Ilona

I don't know is not an answer, look inspect, then say what you see, don't guess.
Thoughts about thinker exist, but thinker itself doesn't.
Is it true?

Joe

I'd say it's just my brian doing it's brian thing, when I really look I don't see a thinker, thinking just happens. So no it's doesn't exist.

Ilona

Yes, so all this thoughts that run wildly are just passing through. It's processing. Brain is re-establishing what is going on. And it gets a bit panicky.
You know how after a good night out you get a hangover. Same here- a massive one.
Or like when stop smoking there are cravings. Same here- thoughts are looking for the I to attach, but you have seen that I can not think itself. So don't fight the process, relax into it. Just look at thoughts as they pass by and notice if it gets personal. That's where belief is stuck. Just examine the belief and release the feeling that is glued to.
Makes sense?

Joe

Yes.

How long did it take for you?

Ilona

Hm, everyone is different. I done a lot before popping,
By burning beliefs away. Then it was east, just relaxed into experience more and more. Naturally.

It's still going, but differently now. The initial clear up was about a month I'd say.

You know, it has been well programmed into the software that I is me.

Joe

Cool, hey did you ever listen or read those interviews I sent you?

Ilona

Read a little, I'm so busy with lots of stuff that haven't have time to get into it properly. As I understand the researcher is interested in finding people who can be tested. Interesting.

Ilona

Hey Joe, how are things? How is Joe?

Joe

Good, just relaxing into life despite what may seem chaotic.

Ilona

Oh, so you felt the shift?

Joe

I have felt a shift, but I will say I keep feeling other ones as well. I'm very neutral and watch a stronger and lesser sense of self wash over throughout the day. Layers, emotional, mental, sensational. I'm content

Ilona

Aha! Good stuff.
So is there any doubt left that all is just happening by itself?

Joe

Funny, I have felt this in the past, but it's happening more and more that everything is happening by it self. I won't say it's 24/7 but it is increasing and widening. I'm fortunate in the fact my life situation is pretty crazy as in, highly stressful and could be depressing, so the letting go and being with what is more expansive. Quite honestly your question seems odd. Only because it seems so obvious now.

Ilona

That's great to hear Joe. Yes relaxation in situations that previously would be labelled as stressful is obvious. Life gets the feel of effortlessness.

Can you look now and tell me is there a you at all in any shape or form?
What is self and how does it work? Has there ever been a separate self?

Thank you.
:))

Joe

The self is concept created by the mind to protect itself which mistakes itself for a separate self.

Ilona

Nice!
And the first question?

Joe

No there is not, I see mirage of a mistaken self.

Ilona

Awesome!
I see that you are through!
What was that last push that made 'you disappear'?

Joe

Just crept in over time.

Ilona

Sweet!
Can I put our chat on my blog? It may help someone else. If so, what name shall I use? 

Joe

Sure, just my first name Joe

Ilona

Thank you
Let me know if you want to join a group of friends like you who recently seen through illusion. It's great if support needed and everyone is free going trough the same in their own ways.
Much love!

Joe

Thanks!

Ilona 
Love your art!

There Is Nothing To Be Understood

Dear Ilona

Can you help me and guide me all the way to see the truth?

I wrote down "there is no self in reality at all" and I felt relief and freedom in my heart. But, seconds after, I felt a little bit confused... I felt little bit of resistance.

I see a body, I see fingers tapping, but I'm thinking and writing "I" again...

I'm going for a walk in nature now, and see what happens...

See you...

With love!

Daniela 

Hi Daniela,

Thank you for writing and thank you for wanting to go all the way through.

 

Tell me, what is I?

Is it I that moves the body?

Is it I that feels?

Is it I that thinks thoughts?

Can you find I in real life? Where can you find it? What is it and what is behind?

Just answer these questions honestly and precisely. When you are ready. 

Much love.

Thank you, Ilona.

I went outside for a walk, and observe everything around me with my 5 senses and then, suddenly, a deep breath came along and I felt peace inside. Then I felt a hudge will of screaming and crying, but I was not angry or sad... it was very weird.

Tell me, what is I?

I don´t know what is I. is a label... a word to express a body, a mind, feelings.

Is it I that moves the body?

No it isn't... the body moves and lives without "my commands".

Is it I that feels?

What about feelings... the body feels.

Is it I that thinks thoughts?

The mind thinks thoughts... when I (body) feel bad, I question the thoughts and dont believe in them... and the bad feeling goes away.

Can you find I in real life? Where can you find it? What is it and what is behind?

I only can find "I" in the mind, like a thought... but can´t see the mind.

it seems like "I" is getting in the way of something bigger and great, it seems like "I" is wanting attention.

Can you help me and guide me all the way to see the truth?

...............

I wrote down "there is no self in reality at all" and I felt relief and freedom in my heart. But, seconds after, I felt a little bit confused... I felt little bit of resistance.

I see a body, I see fingers tapping, but I'm thinking and writing "I" again...

I'm going for a walk in nature now, and see what happens...

see you...

I woke up in the middle of the night and this thought pop up: "there is nothing to be understood... just let life be, let life flow and step aside."

Good one, Daniela! There is nothing to understand. Step aside! Great instructions from your brain.

Now is there anything that needs to step aside? is there a you other than a thought?

I tell you- there is not! 

You cannot understand simply because there is no you to understand. There is understanding happening, but it's happening to no one. it is just an experience appearing in this moment.

Look right here: is there a reader somewhere inside that reads these words? is there some understander? is there a you? Or is this just that, reading, understanding happening as a flow of life right now?

What comes up here?

Great answers here, Daniela. You are getting close!

> I only can find "I" in the mind, like a thought... but can´t see the mind.

> it seems like "I" is getting in the way of something bigger and great, it seems like "I" is wanting attention.

Word mind is only a word pointing to thought, thought processes and thinking itself. There is no mind other than that.

I is also a word pointing to imagined being, but there is no being. Only life itself.

I can not get in a way, it's empty.

Conditioning, believing otherwise is getting in a way. Need to clear the thinking and it will all become visible and obvious. 

Can we get back to the feeling? When you really look if it's true, that there is no you at all, only body/mind/brain operating and making decisions by itself, how does that feel? 

Co you sense any discomfort? Fear? Uneasiness? Just look inside at the feelings and report what you find.

Now is there anything that needs to step aside? is there a you other than a thought?

it is only a thought.

    Look right here: is there a reader somewhere inside that reads these words?

    There is only the experience of reading.

    

    Is there some understander? is there a you? Or is this just that, reading, understanding happening as a flow of life right now?

    No. No. Yes.

    What comes up here?

    Presence. Life being.

Need to clear the thinking and it will all become visible and obvious. 

I doesn't exist. The only thing that exists is life expressing itself through a body.

    When you really look if it's true, that there is no you at all, only body/mind/brain operating and making decisions by itself, how does that feel? 

    First I felt doubt and uneasiness. And a little bit of fear too... but then another thought pop up: "Life is wise and intelligent! Trust life"

    (",) And it feels free!!

     Just look inside at the feelings and report what you find.

"Trust Life, trust life..." Wow!!

Now I relax and became feeling warm inside, light (weightless), joy... tears of joy.

is that really so simple Ilona?

it is really that simple!!!

it can't be simpler than that.  

Life just is. 

How does it feel to be liberated? 

:))it is something I want to remember and feel every second.

Have no words to describe it... it feels sweet, just like a child playing happy.

Eternally grateful,

Much Love!

Awesome, Daniela. Just awesome. I'm soo delighted for you.  So much appreciation here :))))

I have a few questions for you and if seeing happened, it will be easy to answer. Let it settle in a bit and write when you are ready :

1. What is self? How does it operate? Has there ever been a self?

2. What is Daniela? Look at the character, describe how that works.

3. What is real?

4.  Is there a you, at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form?

5. What was it that pushed you over? Can you describe what happened.

Before answering your questions, allow me to write down something that seems relevant:

    When "I" relax - and let life be - 2 powerful thoughts pop up:

    1. "there is nothing to be understood... just let life be, let life flow and step aside."

    2. "Life is wise and intelligent! Trust life"

    

    

    From where did come those 2 thoughts that pop up and made me felt peaceful?

    There must be a wise mind shared by all, and that wise mind is life it self...

     Could the source of life be a peaceful, loving and wise mind shared by all?

Where do thoughts come from?

These thoughts came from exactly same place like every other.

And yes, there is intelligence working here. Look at evolution. Every life form is adapting, evolving, mutating. Human too :) it's not separate from life, it's expression of life. Life is living itself not through us but as us.

How does it look from where you are?

How would you answer this?

Dear Ilona, from here it seems like this:

The source of life is one wise Mind, peaceful, joyful and loving. And the source of life did not create this world.

There is no evolution, no illumination. Life, like is source, is perfect and complete just the way it is.

imagine the Mind being the sun, and the life being the rays of the sun, the sunshine. Life is connected with the Mind and life is also peace, love, and joy.

We are life, we are already complete, sinless and perfect. Life is one with the Mind (life is expressing as our mind and our mind it is not in the brain or is not limited by the body). We have no physical form and we are all connected. The parts have the all and the all have the parts.

But somehow along the way, we play along and forgot who we are... we forgot that we are life (peace, love and joy) connected to the wise Mind. Somehow along the way, we begin believing we are separated minds and feeling guilty of being separated from the wise Mind. And we project that feeling inside in others outside. And what we project we perceive. it seems like a vicious cycle created by a virus in the mind - the thought of separation.

We also believe that thoughts have no power. (But mind creates with thoughts. Thoughts become feelings and actions). We believe that what is perfect can become imperfect. And even worst, we believe that we can control and change life. And finally, we believe the self is real... the limited, imperfect, guilty little self always looking outside for attention to feel value. And we created this virtual world based upon projection of the unconscious feeling of guilt and limitation inside of us. The self does not exist, ok... but as long as many minds BELiEVE in it, it becomes a virtual reality where we believe we are living. I think Henry Ford said that: "if you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right." Our beliefs controls our biology.

Our free will is not about choosing our destination. Our free will is about to choose between listen the thoughts of the wise Mind or the thoughts of the self. The thoughts of the Mind bring us peace and no doubt, makes as feel good and big in our heart, is our intuition, our inspiration. They share and expand love. The wise Mind is in our unconscious mind, just waiting to be heard.

The thoughts of the self creates fear. And this is a virtual world created by the self. The world is virtual because the self is also virtual, it does not exist. Yet, we believe in it. And whatever a mind believe, it becomes! The mind is creative and powerful. We are powerful behind limits and an infinite field of possibilities. And we can do miracles if we let the wise Mind express as us!

Later I will answer your 5 questions...

Hi Daniela,

Please answer the questions. :)

as for your nice letter, life is not just love and peace. it's everything included. Totality of everything. When a wolf is catching a fluffy rabbit to feed her babies it's just life. it is also cruel, dark and painful. if you think that it's all love peace and joy you are only looking at one side, not at a whole picture.

Also, there is no free will....

But please focus first on question, then we can talk more.

Will be looking forward to your answers.

Much love!! 

......................

1. What is self? How does it operate? Has there ever been a self?

Self is a constant thought, imagination. it takes the conciousness away from the present moment where life is expressing. No, there never has been a self, only life and experiences. Self is like a virtual reality.

2. What is Daniela? Look at the character, describe how that works.

Daniela is life expressing as a mind/body. Daniela is life expressing and living experiences like all the millions of possible characters. Daniela is life playing.

3. what is real?

All this world is an illusion. Real is life expressing as everything there is... can´t see life just experience life

4.  is there a you, at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form?

No there isn´t.

5. What was it, that pushed you over? Can you describe what happened.

When "I" relax - and let life be - 2 powerful thoughts pop up:

1. "there is nothing to be understood... just let life be, let life flow and step aside."

2. "Life is wise and intelligent! Trust life."

thoughts are imagination, they're not real, so nothing real really happened, just life playing around.

 Great! Thank you. 

One thing I want to talk to you about is reality.

You said that this world is an illusion. I say that this world is real. It does not disappear if you stop believing in it. It’s real experience, real feelings, real thoughts, real trees, real body, real character Daniela. It’s all real. What is illusion is the 'self' or I as a separate entity.

Look around and feel the reality of what is. Get in touch with real things, real earth, real everything. No matter what it is made of. it is here now. Life.

We are not, but life is. Can you see life living it's life? Existence of existence?

Can you see? When you look at your hand, what do you see? Atoms, illusion or a real hand that is always here, same hand ageing and changing, but real.

And look at the character a bit deeper, can you see how beautiful Daniela is. it's a real character! Like batman, real fiction. Real illusion.

My Dear Ilona, thank you for staying with this with me... it has been interesting letting life flow, letting just things be as they are without the blá blá blá's I. it feels good being in the present moment... and observe all the beliefs that the "I" that doesn't exist believes!!!

You said that this world is an illusion. I say that this world is real. it does not disappear if you stop believing in it. it's real experience, real feelings, real thoughts, real trees, real body, real character Daniela. it's all real. What is illusion is the 'self' or I as a separate entity.

Right. The self or I as a separate entity is an illusion. The world is life expressing as us humans, animals, plants, minerals, water, air, fire, earth... and that's real life.

    Yes, life simply is. Life living as us, experience life.

    Can you see? When you look at your hand, what do you see? Atoms, illusion or a real hand that is always here, same hand ageing and changing, but real.

    Can´t see atoms... can see a real hand.

Thank you!!

I see that you are through :)

Life looks different now for sure.

Thank you!

Do you have any more question, anything I can help you with?

if so- shoot.

if not, may I use this for the blog, I'm sure your words, your process will help many others to see this simple truth. Are you ok with using your name Daniela or do you want me to use something else?

Also, as things come up after seeing, since life does not stop here, but carries on as usual, there might be some times when you need some support. Email me. Anytime. As well there is a group on Facebook called 'enlightened people' find me on fb and I'll invite you there. it's only people who saw through the illusion and it's great help when/ if needed. 

So much love and appreciation here. 

Thank you.  Dear ilona!

Thank you! You can use my name Daniela, yes, that's ok.

Let me make a summary of what I learn:

There is no separated "I". We are all one life... we are all one.

The "secret" is to live in the present moment, observe, allow life to flow, and don't believe in all thoughts.

I have some questions and some practical doubts, if you will to answer me, I'll be glad:

in the last e-maill you said that life "is also cruel, dark and painful." How do you feel with that thought?

When thoughts made you feel bad or when something shakes you really bad, or when you see something that bothers, how do you overcome that situation? Just accepting that life is that?

And do you know:

How mind works? Conscious and unconscious? Where is the mind? We know the brain is in the body, we see him. We know brain is like an antenna that captures thoughts... but where thoughts come from?

And if  "Every life form is adapting, evolving, mutating." how does life evolves? Life is learning? Life is learning as us?

And why do you say "there is no free will...."?

Great love for you

you can answer all your questions no since you saw that there is no self. :) you can look at everything that you know with fresh look and see if what you know is really true. only illusion burns. that which is real stays untouched. try it.

 In the last e-mail you said that life "is also cruel, dark and painful." How do you feel with that thought?

Totality includes everything. It’s not just joy, its pain too. When you look and see, that there is no being behind the I, look at other people, are there other beings behind I? How about the rapist, or pedophile, how about somebody who murders people for pleasure? is there a separate being in there? Hitler? There is darkness, there is light and everything in between, but there is no separate beings.. One life. One confusion in the one mind... don't be afraid to look at darkness.

 

    When thoughts made you feel bad or when something shakes you really bad, or when you see something that bothers, how do you overcome that situation? Just accepting that life is that?

it has been a while since I seen it and layers of beliefs have fallen off... I don't feel bad anymore. when I get shaken by life (very very rarely, almost none) it's just blank inside. no feeling that it's good or bad, just nothing. otherwise anything that seems to go around, does not touch the imaginary I, so nothing bothers. it's a lot to do with intentional clearing of debris. like after tsunami, there is lots of rubble and dead bodies, all takes time to clean up. trusting life, trusting truth, having faith in truth is like a weapon to clear the path to complete ease of living. also it helps when you try to free others. it gives you a chance to look at the illusion and cut it out. by helping others, you help Daniela too. ( sounds bizarre, but true.)

    

    And do you know:

    How mind works? Conscious and unconscious? Where is the mind? We know the brain is in the body, we see him. We know brain is like an antenna that captures thoughts... but where thoughts come from?

    

    And if  "Every life form is adapting, evolving, mutating." how does life evolves? Life is learning? Life is learning as us?

life is alive. everything that is alive evolves. changes. birth life death.. see if you can notice that around.

    

    And why do you say "there is no free will...."?

who is there to choose?

Dear Ilona!
 

I am aware that what i see outside is what is inside: we are all one, no boundaries... I’m not afraid to look at the dark, Ilona. I don't believe that there is darkness. I see it and feel it but i don’t believe it´s real. But I still feel and bother... and when ever darkness come: fear, anger, hate, sadness inside, in me or in others, i let it come, don't think about it, don´t judge it, just let it come, and show it the light.

I'm not afraid... i can make darkness disappear in minutes and turn it in peace. Peace comes along in a few minutes. That´s a little miracle i do when i remember and have faith in the truth. The darkness is just a mistake in the one mind. I do my part to correct it, cleaning it up in "my" mind. I use the light to do that. And if light undo darkness, darkness is an illusion.

For me darkness is just absence of light, it as no source, is an illusion. Just like cold is absence of heat... you bring heat and cold disappears. You bring darkness to light and darkness disappears.

I agree with you, there are no separate beings. I agree with you about the confusion in the one mind...

But I don't agree with you when you say there is no being. For me there is one being. Just one being, one mind. For me, the illusion is the existence of darkness, you see? Whenever i see darkness, i make a little miracle: in a few minutes i use the light and undo darkness in "my" mind, in the one mind. That´s how i help!

But, like you said, I can look at everything that I know with fresh look and see if what I know is really true. 

I will do it...

Trusting life, trusting truth, having faith in truth is like a weapon to clear the path to complete ease of living.

I will trust more in life, yes!! Have to remember that always, thank you!! (",)

it gives you a chance to look at the illusion and cut it out. by helping others, you help Daniela too.

It sounds perfect to me, dear Ilona!!

                                                                                                                                               

You are a natural alchemist! Love you.

Yes, keep transforming darkness :) 

Same here. 

Only, I see the others. The ones that are still separate, confused in the mind, that's why I do what I do, to bring the end to illusion so one being can be free. Even though there is no one here, liberation IS happening. 

Helping others around is helping the one. 

I'd love a massage! You must be giving best massages ;)

Love you too!

Love your work!

I see others too! (",)

When you want to come to Portugal, call me here!

We can meet; I’ll give u a massage!  

I love massages too.. When i do it, one hour seems like 10 minutes to me!

Have an excellent day,

Extremely grateful and happy to know you,

Daniela

few days later:

Hi Ilonai

I´m going fine, thanks. It seems like i'm learning to live again! The moments of confusion are followed by moments of livid clarity. yes, there was a huge shift and many synchronicities occur. Now 'im home.